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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church tonight's vader

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nights

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celebrating the life and times of

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stanton t friedman

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and joining us now live from new york

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lee spiegel lee good evening sir

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hello jimmy i'm very happy to be with

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you tonight um considering

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wow a tribute to our mutual friend stan

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who i was

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friends with

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for 44 years and so this has been a very

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sad week for all of us and i just can't

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believe he's gone i'm uh posting up now

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uh you and stan and jock at

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the united nations and as everybody

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takes a look at this and the importance

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of that event which you and i have

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discussed before but the pictures are

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incredible and um and you in the picture

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i don't think that's you because this

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guy looks young and handsome

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but um that being said lee

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i know that we all

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understand or try to grasp the

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importance of what stanton contributed

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uh to the world and of course our

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community but for you what's the one

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thing that stands out uh that that he

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brought to us all

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well uh from the moment we first spoke

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stan and i in 1975

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um i share

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a similar distinction about stan with

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george nori uh stan

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was the first person i ever interviewed

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about anything right and in this case it

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was of course about ufos

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for this 1975 documentary vinyl

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record album that i wrote and produced

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and

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at the time

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and continuing to this very day stan

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set the tone for me

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that remains the same today as it was

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four decades ago he started me on the

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search

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for talking to people

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who could open my eyes about this whole

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ufo topic and to help me

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to share this information somehow with

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the public from from the album

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to when we were at the united nations

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together to

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eight years on uh nbc radio

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uh where

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during my original time there on nbc uh

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when i hosted a talk show the edge of

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reality i used to do a few debates

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each year

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between stan

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and arch debunker phil class

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and it was always amazing because they

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both eagerly wanted to do this

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um they both kind of respected each

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other on certain levels but they both

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felt that they really had something to

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share

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and and for me to be the kind of the

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midway guy between them

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occasionally on my show was amazing

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because it always turned out as you

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might imagine stan boy he could take a

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beating but but he could give one back

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and he was always so on top of his game

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right in terms of terms of credibility

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the you could tell that this was an

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amazing researcher i knew that from the

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first time i interviewed him back in

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1975 that this was a serious guy not

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just a scientist not just a nuclear

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physicist but this was he was the first

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researcher scientific researcher who i'd

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ever had any contact with and i was

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impressed with him that first day we

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spoke and i was as impressed with him

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two weeks ago when he and i had our

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final conversation

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he he was always

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consistent in his attitude in his

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beliefs

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in his mission to

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to get out the information

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even in every conversation that we ever

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had i mean literally up to the one from

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a couple weeks ago he always liked to

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say to me and he likes to say this to

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everybody who talks to him oh i've done

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700 and so and so college presentations

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i've been on 37 continents getting this

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message out

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he always liked to remind all of us that

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he was the guy who was putting in

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probably the most frequent flyer miles i

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could imagine possible i'll tell you uh

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this this is about you right now lee but

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you just reminded me of of something

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one night uh i'm just obnoxious you know

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when i get around i just like to have

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and so it was late

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we got everybody together in a bar

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i don't know you're not

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come on

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and so i dragged him up into this bar

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and he had just flown in from canada

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he's tired

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and i said i'm gonna buy you a martini

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he goes no no no no jimmy i said oh yeah

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all right all right all right all right

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and he he sat with us

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from he closed the bar

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he closed the bar he nursed the martini

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but he sat there with with all of these

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youngsters right

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and and and hung out with us all night

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long that's what kind and and just told

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us stories and and we had like 30 people

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uh you know sitting at this table i'm

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not i'm not exaggerating and that's what

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kind of guy he was totally cool open

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friendly funny guy

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but yet intense

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i've i've always been amazed

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with the energy he would put out i mean

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just for him

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to travel anywhere to do an interview to

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do a presentation from his home up there

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remember he once told me he generally to

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go anywhere to travel anywhere to do

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these things would would be like a

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minimum of four

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usually five separate flights to get to

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his destination

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and and the phone the phone interviews

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remember he's not on east coast he's got

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his own time zone that's right

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it was really funny i'm like i'm like

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are you okay with this stan you're gonna

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be on with this at uh 5 30 in the

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morning you know

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yeah you know let's do this okay all

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but he was always there he was always

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there now um uh one other uh point i

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want to talk about the united nations

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and the significance of that event and

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it was jacques valet was there with you

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um but

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if you stop and think about it

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the united nations and ufos in a lot of

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ways that's oil and water but you guys

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did have a an extremely important

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breakthrough presentation there tell us

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about that well i i in 1977 i started

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seeing um things in the news not not

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very big items in the news but the pr

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the prime minister eric gary

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of the little tiny nation of grenada he

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was starting to make some waves at the

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u.n giving speeches trying to get the un

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to pay attention to his own personal ufo

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crusade

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he claimed that he wanted to have the

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united nations create a special

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international committee that would

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investigate ufos and share information

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among the countries and just try and see

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what was really behind the phenomenon

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he was such a tiny country and he wasn't

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an influential person at the u.n nobody

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was paying attention to him and i

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here's my chance i had just finished

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uh producing in 1975 this ufo record

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album ufo's the credibility factor

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and uh and i and i thought well if if i

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can get

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to him somehow

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because he's the only game in town as

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far as anybody outside of the u.n

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uh maybe i have a shot at doing anything

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at the united nations so i made a few

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calls

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spoke to his ambassadors at the grenada

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mission in new york i i had a meeting

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with them i brought my record album to

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them and said would you please give my

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album to your prime minister with my

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compliments and tell him i have an idea

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of how

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i could help him

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uh to to get the un to pay attention

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about ufos and a few weeks later they

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called me and said the the prime

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minister was going to be in new york

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to be knighted as sir eric gary and i've

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been invited to go there to see the

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ceremony and and that he really wants to

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talk with me about my proposal could i

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be there and i said yeah of course no no

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problem and i went there i saw the

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ceremony it was my first time ever at

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the united nations in that kind of

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were shuttled into a little private room

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and we said hello and he said he liked

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my record album very much especially all

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the voices of the people who were on the

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album which of course included stan

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friedman and dr j allen heineck and

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and he said what's your idea and i said

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well mr prime minister with all due

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respect

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i've been seeing you making some trying

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to make some headway to get the nations

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of the world to pay attention to you but

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they're not listening to you

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i on the other hand

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i have some people who are friendly with

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me now who are on the record album

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if you would

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present or to sponsor

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my proposal uh i would bring some of

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these people to the un

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on your behalf

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and and let them do their own individual

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presentations that i guarantee you will

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be listened to seriously by the member

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nations and over a handshake we made a

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deal

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and and shortly after that

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i received in the mail my own little

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like the size of a business card my own

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little yellow colored official delegates

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card to grenada i was now an official

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delegate of grenada which you know when

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something like that happens and i found

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this out

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later on

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our state department gets that word back

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you know the people

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in washington or the the united states

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ambassador to the u.n contacted the

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state department and said um this thing

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is going on here at the u.n

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uh grenada is putting a presentation

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and we understand the person responsible

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for bringing these people together is a

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producer named lee spiegel how do you

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want us to handle this

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and and i didn't know any of this jimmy

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until months later

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when

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who had been using the freedom of

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information act to pry loose ufo

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documents from the government he called

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me one day and said hey i just cut this

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document that's just been released by

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the government and it's a document about

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you

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can read it and i said no no i'm coming

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up to your office in the bronx i want

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you to hand it to me and i want to make

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a gazillion copies of this so i can

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prove this

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to people

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uh and and basically for the rest of

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that year

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in 1978

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leading up to the november presentation

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i traveled around the country collecting

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documents

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materials information

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getting speakers ready

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to put this thing together

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in november and the pictures that you

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have there that show us at a press

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conference that day at the u.n

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uh i remember

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sitting there

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even before any pictures were taken and

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seeing i'm sitting there next to stan

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and then you know to to our left was jay

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allen heineck and jacques valet and

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lieutenant colonel army lieutenant

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colonel larry coyne who had the most

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incredible encounter when he commanded a

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helicopter over ohio in 1973 that he

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almost had a near collision with and the

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army gave me permission to have him come

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to the u.n to tell his story with the

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condition that he not show up there in

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army uniform he could only show up and

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tell a story if he came dressed as a

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civilian and i said really that i just

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have to buy him a new suit and you let

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them come there they said yes

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the whole thing jimmy to me was so

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surreal from the moment i started doing

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this until it was over i couldn't

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believe it and and to this day jacques

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valet still says that what we did there

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was a milestone in ufo history and it

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was amazing that that i was allowed to

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get as far as i could with this back

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then and i'm very proud that i was part

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of it yeah absolutely historical moment

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and lee thank you

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i know it's very late out there but

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thank you for taking the time on this

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very special evening to share all of

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that with us thank you so much

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well i appreciate that and obviously my

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heart and my thoughts are with stan's

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family and to his professional partner

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and co-author the great kathy martin

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thank you so much lee thank you so much

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lee

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spiegel everybody elise spiegel and the

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pictures are up there in twitter and

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that first one

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of uh

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of stanton and lee and of course the

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delegates from grenada

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and uh

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jacques valet

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and j allen heineck all sitting there in

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a row is absolutely incredible and now

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joining us also from new york

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richard dolan richard good evening man

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how are you hello mr jimmy happy to be

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here yeah thank you uh for taking the

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time out is it you know what we're

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celebrating tonight richard that's what

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we're doing we're celebrating stanton t

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friedman

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and i'm just gonna go straight at you

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man yes uh

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when you started this road this journey

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uh to to bring us knowledge into this

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community and certainly as a historian

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uh what is uh

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stanton friedman when you hear that what

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does he mean to you

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i'm really glad you asked because i've

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been thinking about stan since he died

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and reflecting what does he mean to

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our community and what does he mean to

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me personally and

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um

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the thing about stan that comes to mind

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and everyone's going to know this when i

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say it is

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first and foremost he was a researcher

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he was an investigator

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he didn't pretend to have inside intel

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he didn't talk ceaselessly and embarrass

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himself about ascension can you imagine

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it's almost laughable even to think

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about it

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he

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learned forthrightly and bravely with no

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bs

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no pretense there was never any of this

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about stan

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i mean that's one of the amazing things

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like no matter how brilliant he was in a

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conference room and he usually was very

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on point uh even in his later years when

402
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i knew him he never made you feel

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beneath him

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he never made you feel that he was the

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be-all and end-all of anything he never

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did that and yet he was the one that

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everyone

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really looked up to

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so you think about that and you compare

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him

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to so many of the

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the kind of

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guru type people that are out there

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these days there's so many folks out

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there who try to turn themselves in to

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make themselves into the story stan

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never did that

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he was a genuine researcher

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who

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into this subject

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and you know i'll just say this i don't

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agree with every conclusion stan came to

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i think his biggest most egregious one

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was on bob lazar

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and i i will say that um

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his decades-long

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uh pursuing of lazar and calling him

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things like a fraud and so forth

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uh were harmful

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to ufology but having said that

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you have to look at the other side of

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the balance which was

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roswell

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mj12 documents that's controversial but

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i think that stan was fundamentally

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correct about those

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and so many other things so that when

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you look at the balance of what stan did

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in ufology

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you know you have to see someone who's

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going in there in the 1960s 1970s

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and in a very hostile environment

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at that time particularly there's no

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internet

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this is a man who spoke at i don't know

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something like a thousand college

447
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campuses

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and spreading

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his understanding of this but also

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fighting for government documents and

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arguing about government documents and

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and presenting them to the world

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stan was very factually based

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and

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this is something that

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we really miss

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i i wonder where is ufology going today

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where are we where are people like

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stanton friedman

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who um who combine

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great research with great communication

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and bravery and all of that and there

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are very few people

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who are even even approaching that type

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of a level

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so

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we're going to miss him

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i miss him i can tell you right now i

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miss that man a lot and and i wasn't

470
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even like buddies with stan we knew each

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i knew him for 20 years

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and we were on very good terms i spoke

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with him many times

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but um

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let me ask you this did he ever

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did he ever set you straight on

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something

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[Laughter]

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he tried to the very first time i ever

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uh met with stan was back in 2001 right

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and i was in st louis it was one of my

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first appearances ever i was the new kid

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on the block

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and uh i did a very tiny event in fact

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uh george nori was still doing his radio

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program out of st louis back then i met

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with george did a little thing with him

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and with stan

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a couple of other people i think

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anyway um

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we probably spoke to like a total of

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eight people in the audience during that

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event

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but afterward in the airport

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we were both in the airport at the same

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time and had lunch with him

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and he

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made

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he wanted to make sure that i had the

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right opinion on bob lazar

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now at that time i can tell you all i

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had written was one book and it had only

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gone up to the year 1973 i hadn't

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covered i hadn't really had time

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to get into the 1980s or god from the

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1990s or deal with lazar

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i mean i knew about lazar but i didn't i

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hadn't really formed an opinion yet and

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i didn't want to be rushed

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and stan sat me down

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he wanted to make sure that i had the

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correct opinion that lazar was a fraud

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and i remembered even then

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i was a little intimidated by stan

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obviously yeah me too but i

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i remembered saying look

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i will come to my

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conclusions when i'm ready to come to my

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conclusions but thank you i will

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definitely take what you say under

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advisement

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and the fact is i never did come to his

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conclusion and you want to know the

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truth

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i have always believed that that was

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always a bit of a sore spot a little bit

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of a sticking point that stan had with

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me it's the same thing i have the same

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story and him and i went at it publicly

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uh about lazar i'm on stage you know

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he's my guest right

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and i backed up richard i just backed up

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i didn't want to go there and it'd stand

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and that's it

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and later

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we walked off stage and i went up to him

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and

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it's okay that was fun

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and well that's that was the thing about

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stan

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he he was genuine

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and and it was a really good heart to

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him a really good

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um a good place inside him and uh you

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always it was impossible for me not

546
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never to like him i got i got him to

547
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crack uh the door uh in fact those were

548
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,080
the words that i used about the about

549
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:51,039
lazar a couple of years ago on the show

550
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and i said is there a possibility

551
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stan that the door could be just cracked

552
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,280
open a little bit on lazar

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and if something was presented to you

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could you change

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and he said yeah yeah it it could change

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and i was like wow

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you know but then

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00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:12,240
that shows the quality about him yeah

559
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,600
yeah absolutely the fact that he's

560
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evidence he was always evidence-based

561
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fact-based

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00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:19,039
and you didn't always have to agree with

563
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:20,559
his conclusions

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but

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you know you could always understand his

566
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:25,200
argumentation

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00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,640
whether you thought it was strong or not

568
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,720
it was usually usually good i mean think

569
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:30,559
about what he did with roswell

570
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,200
and it's very easy for people not to

571
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,360
um appreciate this because it's been so

572
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:37,760
many years now but back in the 70s and

573
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:39,120
prior

574
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:42,000
the government could pretend

575
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,880
that

576
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:45,039
or and many researchers like heineck

577
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,799
jalen heineck would say

578
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,559
i don't think there's a conspiracy or

579
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,039
cover-up so much as a foul-up and he

580
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:52,960
would say this in other words he would

581
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:56,400
say the air force just got incompetent

582
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,760
investigators they don't really know

583
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,799
what they're dealing with in this

584
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,280
phenomenon and so forth it's not really

585
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,760
a cover-up so here comes stan and a few

586
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,760
other people of his generation we have

587
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:08,240
to say people like leonard stringfield

588
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:09,200
um

589
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,200
more forgotten these days but stan

590
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,039
really did help he broke open the

591
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,600
roswell case and with roswell

592
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,240
once you recognize that there are things

593
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,200
like these crash retrievals of ufos you

594
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:25,919
can't pretend anymore that it's a foul

595
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:26,799
up

596
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:29,120
right because if they've got hardware if

597
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:30,080
they've got

598
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:31,440
bodies

599
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,559
that takes

600
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,960
our understanding of this to a very

601
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,640
significantly different level and

602
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,480
stanton friedman

603
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,120
was absolutely one of those key people

604
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,200
he wasn't the only but he was one of the

605
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,520
key people who brought us to that

606
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,000
next stage of understanding it's really

607
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,000
important to keep this in mind and

608
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:52,400
particularly in today's environment we

609
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,280
hear all let's talk about ttsa and

610
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:57,520
uh i've been arguing that they're really

611
00:23:02,230 --> 00:22:59,919
involved in a rebranding of ufos to to

612
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,240
this more nebulous uap

613
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,080
where we can kind of pretend oh well we

614
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,799
don't know what uap are baloney stan

615
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:08,559
didn't even talk about ufos he talked

616
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,280
about flying saucers

617
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,360
right he laid it right

618
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:15,120
out on the table no one else who else

619
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,480
says flying sausage anymore only stan

620
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:21,039
and he did it for very consciously he

621
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,400
knew what he was doing

622
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,799
he didn't want to say oh like pretend we

623
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,200
don't know what these things are he knew

624
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,440
that some of these ufos are flying

625
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,679
saucers and he didn't want to let go of

626
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:33,039
that phrase it's really kind of

627
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,640
interesting i'm going to work on my

628
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:37,200
stanton impression he said flying

629
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,440
saucers so well

630
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,080
he did he said it so well

631
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,240
i miss him already man

632
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:47,039
yeah yeah i miss him already and oh me

633
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:47,919
too

634
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,039
84 years and if you think about your

635
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,120
career for a second richard and i know

636
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,200
that we just blew past the commercial

637
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,520
break but so it goes

638
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,360
is that think about your career for a

639
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:00,559
second

640
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:04,240
52 years stanton was out there doing it

641
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,760
52

642
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,520
years

643
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,200
yeah look at yourself and just say what

644
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,000
have i done lately right

645
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:14,480
i do i think about it all the time oh

646
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,440
man

647
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,520
all the time and and whatever it is i do

648
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,919
it it never feels like enough no yeah

649
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:22,080
and and it can't and then when you think

650
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:25,520
about uh you know somebody that uh

651
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,880
like stanton that did it for 52 years i

652
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,960
think about how you've done your

653
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,400
research richard

654
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,000
okay think about that and that's what

655
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,480
you do you're about uh you know being

656
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,240
pragmatic and black and white and

657
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:40,320
looking at the data and the historical

658
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:41,840
record that's what you do

659
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:44,720
imagine doing it like that

660
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,760
every single day for 52 years now you've

661
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:49,919
got your you are the new stanton my

662
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,480
friend you said somebody's got to do it

663
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,559
well you've got another uh you've got

664
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,960
another 30 years of pretty intense stuff

665
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,559
in front of you well here's the good

666
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,039
news i i've just resigned myself to

667
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,880
being a lifer in this

668
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,559
uh without a doubt i'm a life or in the

669
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,960
ufo field i don't think it can never let

670
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,240
go of me and i don't think i'll ever be

671
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:10,559
able to let go of it so i don't i don't

672
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:11,520
know

673
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,640
if there's ever going to be another

674
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,960
stanton but i can tell you i will be the

675
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,520
very best at what i am i'll i'll

676
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,279
certainly strive to be the best richard

677
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,200
dolan i can be and we'll see where that

678
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,000
leads us thank you so much richard and

679
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,880
uh again we are celebrating the life and

680
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:29,120
times of stan freeman what he brought to

681
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,919
us

682
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,600
and thank you for taking the time

683
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,919
tonight uh for all of the fader nuts out

684
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:36,000
there in this community thank you and

685
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,279
thank you for sharing those memories

686
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,120
thank you we were lucky to have him

687
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:40,720
thank you so much richard all right

688
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,080
thank you jimmy richard dolan and with

689
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:46,240
that i am going to take a break right

690
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,279
here thank you so much richard tonight

691
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,360
is fader night it is thursday night we

692
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:53,919
are celebrating the life and times of

693
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:57,039
stanton t friedman who passed away

694
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:00,400
this past tuesday on may 13th i am your

695
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:03,279
host jimmy church i will now open up the

696
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:11,830
two 747-228-2051-747-228 two zero five

697
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698
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699
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:22,640
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700
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,930
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701
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[Music]

702
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,480
welcome back fade to black thursday

703
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,640
night vader night

704
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,200
tonight we are celebrating the life and

705
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:34,559
times

706
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,320
of stanton t friedman

707
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,799
how great is it that we are able to do

708
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,279
this on a fader night and and hang out

709
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:45,039
with all of you i do want to thank grace

710
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,000
hobbs

711
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,200
and leeds lee spiegel and uh of course

712
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:51,840
richard dolan uh for coming in tonight

713
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,360
and and sharing their memories uh with

714
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:57,760
with us uh tonight

715
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:00,799
and so what i would like to do is uh

716
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,470
and uh let's do just that also uh i've

717
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:09,840
got uh

718
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:13,919
uh some tickets to contact in the desert

719
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:17,600
and now these are the this is the deal i

720
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:20,480
have single passes

721
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,520
one

722
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,919
uh to give away

723
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:25,039
um

724
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,400
two

725
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:27,919
if you

726
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,080
can make it to palm springs and and go

727
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,200
to contact in the desert um

728
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,240
then that's the first thing

729
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,480
don't win tickets uh

730
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,120
if you can't go or don't ask for tickets

731
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,440
if you cannot go if you can attend and

732
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,039
you can make arrangements and get all of

733
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:50,080
that done then we would love to have you

734
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,520
there okay

735
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,720
but uh it's very very important i don't

736
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,120
want to give away these tickets and then

737
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:59,440
have you say i can't attend but thank

738
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:01,760
you you know that that's that's that's

739
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,880
not right okay all right let's have fun

740
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,520
tonight with that let's go straight to

741
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,960
the phones how you're live on fade to

742
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,720
black who's calling

743
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,039
hey jimmy's jared in albuquerque hey

744
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,080
jared in albuquerque how are you man i'm

745
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,760
doing all right i'm doing all right you

746
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,960
know it's a

747
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,520
good night to do a tribute to mr stanton

748
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,520
you know and uh thought i'd call in and

749
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:25,840
share my story of my experience with him

750
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,120
absolutely absolutely uh tell us about

751
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,240
it yeah so you know he did a lot of you

752
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,240
know he's famous for his appearance on

753
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,080
larry king live you know he did that a

754
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,799
couple times and he also you know as i

755
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,480
think it was dolan that mentioned he did

756
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,600
a lot of university um

757
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:45,840
lectures and i got to catch him at one

758
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,399
of those here in albuquerque this was

759
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:50,480
about five years ago

760
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,600
and i wasn't as is i didn't have my

761
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,000
pulse on the ufo community as i do now

762
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:58,480
at the time i have always had a long

763
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:01,279
lifelong interest in the subject

764
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,159
but i didn't ever really dive as deep as

765
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,960
you know i have in more recent years

766
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,120
at the time that i um but i just

767
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,039
happened to find out about it and went

768
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,720
to it and intended it

769
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,880
and i didn't you know to be honest i

770
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,480
didn't even know

771
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,640
him from adam at the time

772
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:21,360
um but i was super impressed with his

773
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,320
lecture

774
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,799
um he was very

775
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,279
detail-oriented you know he had

776
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,320
he had a lot to say and uh a lot to back

777
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:32,799
up what he was saying um it was no

778
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:35,840
nonsense it was easy to understand

779
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,320
and i really got a lot out of it he went

780
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,279
into his work with um

781
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,720
nuclear fish fusion and fission engines

782
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,880
um and how they had

783
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:48,480
scrapped a lot of

784
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,600
um

785
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,960
hydrogen

786
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,159
engines

787
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:55,760
and um the two the two things that i got

788
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,399
out of his talk that i still remember

789
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,000
to this day were

790
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,399
some of the the things that really stood

791
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,360
out

792
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,520
was uh one

793
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,440
all of those engines that he was working

794
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:09,679
on ran on hydrogen

795
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,159
um he pointed out that hydrogen is the

796
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,120
most abundant gas in the universe

797
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:17,679
so if you've got a craft that uses that

798
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,720
as fuel you can travel anywhere and find

799
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,480
it you know

800
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,480
so i thought that was pretty interesting

801
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,399
yeah the other

802
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,399
you know that was kind of cool and then

803
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,399
the other thing that he brought up that

804
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,480
i hadn't known at the time that i

805
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,039
thought was really amazing was

806
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,240
the uh increase in ufo reports after the

807
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,640
nuclear weapons testing that we were

808
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,200
starting to do yeah two points two

809
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:46,480
points that he always tried to drive

810
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,279
home

811
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:49,440
with everybody and i'll say this and

812
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,279
then i'll let you continue jared is that

813
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:55,919
those two points

814
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,279
that uh stan spoke about often was

815
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:02,159
picked up not only by the community but

816
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:04,640
other researchers too this was a point

817
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:05,600
that

818
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:06,399
uh

819
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:09,840
not i i just said researchers um

820
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,039
hydrogen and its uh availability

821
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:15,440
throughout the universe everywhere you

822
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:17,520
know every star everything

823
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,559
um is is spoken about by physicists

824
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,640
today and cosmologists

825
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,799
and and i'm not saying that stanton was

826
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,399
the first with it

827
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:28,000
but if you

828
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,200
uh

829
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:31,200
are going to be out there traveling you

830
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:32,399
need gas

831
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,799
and yeah and and stanton spoke about

832
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,799
this and i hear it all the time now but

833
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,720
i heard it first from stanton you're

834
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,080
absolutely right you were going to make

835
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,240
one more point

836
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,720
yeah yeah just that you know um it was a

837
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,880
real good talk and afterwards the talk

838
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,480
you know i did get i did hang around a

839
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,840
little while and talk to some of the

840
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:53,840
people that i that were there

841
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:57,120
and uh one guy brought up that uh he had

842
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,159
been

843
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,559
he had traveled outside of albuquerque a

844
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,120
lot and he said what no matter what

845
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:04,799
direction he went

846
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,519
if he was 20 minutes outside albuquerque

847
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:09,760
and talk to the locals 20 minutes or

848
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,080
more outside of albuquerque started

849
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,159
talking to the locals in the small towns

850
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,080
in santa fe and you know just throughout

851
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:17,679
new mexico

852
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,000
um but in the you know surrounding

853
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,720
albuquerque area he would hear reports

854
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,200
of you know the people had stories there

855
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,120
were just a lot of stories about you

856
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:28,960
know sightings that people had in this

857
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,760
area and uh so that was really cool the

858
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,120
cool to hear

859
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,840
and uh you know later finding out his

860
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:38,640
legacy and just you know what um what an

861
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,600
amazing man he was for the for the for

862
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,159
the ufo field it was

863
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,159
i was really tickled to realize that

864
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,080
that's who i had saw at that lecture

865
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,159
because at the time i didn't know him

866
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:52,399
from anyone you know i didn't know how

867
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,600
how how how much of a treat that was

868
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:58,000
yeah that's that's special and and thank

869
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,679
you for sharing that with us tonight

870
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,360
jared

871
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,120
no problem jimmy you have a good night

872
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:05,840
yeah you too you have a great night

873
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:08,880
and that's exactly how uh how cool

874
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,519
stanton was in that uh you could

875
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,559
you know

876
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,960
turn around and meet somebody

877
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:18,000
and

878
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,960
uh who who this person was but

879
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,320
you didn't know

880
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,159
and

881
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,000
he was open

882
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,840
right and that that's

883
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,679
that's really cool then later on you

884
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:35,440
find out oh man holy crap that's who

885
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,559
that was

886
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,200
and he just hung out with me like that

887
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,279
that's uh that's very very cool let's go

888
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,480
back to the phones how you're live i'm

889
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:44,640
fade to black who's calling

890
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,080
jeff from sacramento hi deb how are you

891
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,320
yeah it's sad about stanton but like you

892
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:52,399
said he had a great life

893
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,919
one of the key moments i used to always

894
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,080
watch him on larry king live but the one

895
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,000
that really sticks with me is back in

896
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,640
2013 when he did his presentation for

897
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,120
the citizens hearing before the retired

898
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,720
congress members

899
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,799
and boy he spoke with knowledge and

900
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,720
authority and confidence and his

901
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:10,879
presentation if no one has seen it go to

902
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,000
youtube you type in citizens hearing

903
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,320
um stanton friedman there's like a 16

904
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,399
minute clip of his opening that was an

905
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,879
epic epic moment in those three days and

906
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,720
it's too bad the press didn't cover more

907
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,879
of it it wasn't on the mainstream media

908
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,280
because those congress people

909
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,639
by the end of those three days i'm sure

910
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,240
you know um

911
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,639
their their mindset shifted there was a

912
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,399
definite shift there

913
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,399
and um they were open to a lot more

914
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:38,079
information and investigating these

915
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,359
things

916
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:41,040
yeah you're right about that you're

917
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,320
absolutely right um and he was uh

918
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,040
at that hearing the way that he spoke

919
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:51,679
um you have to remember

920
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,639
his

921
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:54,079
you know where he was coming from at

922
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,760
that point because that was just you

923
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:58,000
know what six years ago now

924
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:59,440
that

925
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,839
he's he's not playing around anymore he

926
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,520
never played

927
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:06,240
but now at this point in his life you

928
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:09,200
know and he took that opportunity

929
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,800
and and he drove his point home

930
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,839
and

931
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,640
i wouldn't say

932
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:18,079
um

933
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,599
i wouldn't say he was he was angry

934
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,839
but he was close

935
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,400
right i mean well

936
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,680
yes

937
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,480
yeah he was close he was close and

938
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,160
that's what i mean when you do this you

939
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:34,480
know for 50 years

940
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:35,280
and

941
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,280
an opportunity like that he took full

942
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:49,680
advantage of it and yeah like i said he

943
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,960
was just one step away of of being angry

944
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,720
and and good for him you're right that

945
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:57,040
that uh there was a 16-minute uh

946
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,560
presentation that was absolutely

947
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,000
incredible

948
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,400
absolutely yeah um i wanted to let you

949
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,079
know that um i was listening to

950
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,240
something today and they said that just

951
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,480
for your station that president trump

952
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:09,760
has opened up a segment of

953
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,960
whitehouse.gov because of all the sensor

954
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:14,640
censorships going on

955
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,440
with

956
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,800
you know um

957
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,200
platforms he's opened it up for people

958
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,760
to start um especially radio shows and

959
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,079
stuff people to start filing reports

960
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,880
because he's tired of um our free speech

961
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:28,720
being violated any it's an open

962
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:31,599
invitation for people to start um filing

963
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,320
complaints so that um those can be taken

964
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,240
in and he can look at it very seriously

965
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,800
oh okay there you go

966
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,960
prior of the censorship yeah the freedom

967
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,440
of speech is being inhibited and he's

968
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,440
he's done with it so that's a brave new

969
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:50,470
thank you so much deb enjoy the rest of

970
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,599
your night

971
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,960
thank you jimmy thanks for taking my

972
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:55,040
call thank you deb brings up one of the

973
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,839
uh

974
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,000
when we look back it's funny about the

975
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:01,040
citizens hearing uh because

976
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,480
uh we just had uh richard on and in his

977
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,440
10 minutes at the citizens hearing uh

978
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,520
was absolutely incredible but

979
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:11,359
uh stanton

980
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,119
uh especially he he maintained i should

981
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,440
say he he maintained

982
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:19,920
uh dignity and and held himself correct

983
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,599
but towards the end there he

984
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,680
and i mean this he

985
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,760
he

986
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,960
ah

987
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,640
um he

988
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,320
earned

989
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:33,839
the

990
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,680
to say whatever he wanted and if it was

991
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,760
at some point you know banging your hand

992
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:44,960
on the table

993
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,320
he he could have done that and he didn't

994
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,839
think about that let's go back to the

995
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,520
phones hi you're live on fade to black

996
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,960
who's calling

997
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,280
hi this is sleepy dave davenport

998
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,680
listening in from uh speaker

999
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,000
hey how are you dave

1000
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:02,079
pretty good pretty good where are you

1001
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,359
from

1002
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,000
arizona right on

1003
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:08,160
yep just uh aren't you in california if

1004
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,680
i remember right

1005
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,839
yes we're in burbank okay

1006
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,200
all right

1007
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,880
anyways i met

1008
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,480
stan oh

1009
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:19,760
uh actually i've known him for 20 years

1010
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,750
when i was 24.

1011
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,400
remember his book top secret magic

1012
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,839
absolutely

1013
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,760
okay well when that book came out i read

1014
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:32,560
it

1015
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,950
my

1016
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,520
aunt and uncle they were travel agents

1017
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,359
well my aunt was long story short they

1018
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:43,760
used to fly all over the country for

1019
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,240
free in the 70s and 80s well

1020
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,560
my aunt had taken a photo

1021
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,560
of a ufo

1022
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,359
from the airplane window

1023
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:57,440
and she had two of them

1024
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,240
so

1025
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,640
after i read the book it had a phone

1026
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,280
number in the back of it so i called

1027
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:05,520
well stanton answered to the phone when

1028
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,560
i called

1029
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:08,320
and

1030
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,760
said well i got your number from the

1031
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:13,839
back of the top secret magic book he

1032
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:15,760
said that's okay

1033
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,480
this is how cool he was he said when i'm

1034
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,480
when i'm home i turn off my answering

1035
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:23,040
service and i personally take my calls

1036
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,880
so here anybody of the hundreds of

1037
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,560
thousands of people who bought the book

1038
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,320
then if they had known they could have

1039
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,079
called them any time and talked to them

1040
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,320
and me i just was blown away

1041
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,800
so i told them all about this ufo

1042
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,800
picture i had

1043
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,800
and at the time i was living in michigan

1044
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:40,960
going to college

1045
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,640
well he was going to be speaking in

1046
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,119
uh romulus i believe

1047
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,240
uh and staying at the crown plaza and i

1048
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:52,560
said well i gotta work and we meet after

1049
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:53,440
the

1050
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:54,640
talk and

1051
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:57,680
i can show you these photos

1052
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,710
and i had previously asked it was okay

1053
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,640
if i brought along my video camera and

1054
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,680
you know

1055
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,680
because up until that point

1056
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,440
you know as everybody can care and you

1057
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,000
know agree i mean he was the loswell guy

1058
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,160
he was you know the king of the ufo

1059
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:18,160
researchers in the 90s and the 80s he

1060
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,760
was the man to bring

1061
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,000
a lot of things forward

1062
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,440
so to needham was you know fantastic and

1063
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,440
to take the time out and to invite me to

1064
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,359
his hotel room and just sit there and

1065
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:30,480
talk

1066
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,520
now the only negative uh to this whole

1067
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:36,000
experience is stan kept my photos and

1068
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:37,599
for 20 years i've been trying to get him

1069
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,560
back and

1070
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,960
and and the last time i seen him i said

1071
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,640
stan i'm going to use your own words i

1072
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:45,040
said please and i have my photos back

1073
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:46,560
i'm we're in a race against the

1074
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:48,320
undertaker and he started laughing he

1075
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,320
goes that's a good one he says well

1076
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,440
they're in my files well i i don't know

1077
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:55,680
what happens to his files now but

1078
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,640
he's just a down to earth really nice

1079
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,560
man and whenever

1080
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,839
uh

1081
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:03,839
if i lived on the west end of the

1082
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,920
country or back east whenever he was in

1083
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,200
town

1084
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,560
i would go

1085
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,760
meet him

1086
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,359
see him speak

1087
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,800
um

1088
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,800
just uh

1089
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:16,880
you know what a loss that's just my

1090
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:20,319
story about my personal

1091
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,599
interview and

1092
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,760
i guess my relationship

1093
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,359
you know wasn't really much of one i

1094
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,160
guess no that's awesome i mean you know

1095
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,560
and see look

1096
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:32,240
if uh

1097
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,920
i remember

1098
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,880
yours

1099
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:37,359
your um your

1100
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,000
i almost said memory but your

1101
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,880
your telephone event right

1102
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,880
calling that number

1103
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,200
i thought i was one of the only people

1104
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,720
with that story

1105
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:50,000
right

1106
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,680
you just heard richard dolan tell the

1107
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,960
same story

1108
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:55,280
i i told the secret you just told the

1109
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:58,880
same story and and i i'll never forget i

1110
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,359
dialed the number

1111
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,800
this is stan

1112
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,119
and i was like

1113
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:06,720
you know i was standing in my uncle's

1114
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,200
kitchen and here's the pho here's the

1115
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,960
funny part my uncle's like get off the

1116
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,480
phone you're calling long distance i

1117
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:13,680
said i'm talking to stan you know i'm

1118
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:15,040
holding the phone stop talking to stan

1119
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,720
and friedman he goes who i said the guy

1120
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,560
on tv right there and he's like yeah

1121
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,160
right get off the phone and i'm like i'm

1122
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:22,560
sorry stan so it was just a little more

1123
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:23,520
you know

1124
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,079
wait because i was being

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interrupted because my yeah right you

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know because

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none of my family was into that except

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for me and the pictures were willed to

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me

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and you know these were the days before

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you know you could really get anything

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up online at least

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the internet was around but it's not not

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in the capacity as it was it was you

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know in 1997 1998

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um

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but yeah yeah what a great memory and uh

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well you donated the photographs and you

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know i hope they come out sometime

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because i'll tell you jimmy the one

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photos of a white disc in the mountains

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and it's hovering over the the pine tree

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tops the other photo is right up close i

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mean this thing must have been flying

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right next to the airplane because it's

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a solid white disk

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and you can see the mountain and then

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the mountain peak and it's covering the

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snow cap mountain peak and it's hovering

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right above it and then you can see the

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clouds in the background and when stan

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saw it he goes these are good i said

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well you're gonna do something with him

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because i'd like to and

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i don't know why he never published them

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i i have no idea

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well uh according to uh

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uh it was that lee spiegel or race

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00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,560
hobbes just said that his uh his

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archives are being donated to the

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university there new brunswick

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and okay well maybe i'll run across from

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there yeah exactly exactly you know and

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well i appreciate your time and you know

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just he he was so great he was amazing

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he's a very cool dude very very cool

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dude and

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uh i will never uh uh

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say anything

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you know what what i mean by that is

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calling him a dude and calling him cool

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i mean that out of the the the utmost

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respect

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he was cool he was cool he was cool cool

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cool

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i i even investigated so

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i'm not going to get into it but i

1178
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,319
showed him some things back in 2010 and

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00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,160
he was pretty amazed but he says i'm so

1180
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:28,560
swamped i said no i understand i i get

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00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,200
it

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but i'd like to tell you sometime but

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i'll let you go i'm sure there's a bunch

1184
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,240
of other people like to get on the horn

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00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,079
but i appreciate your time and have a

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00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,079
great one jimmy yeah you too david thank

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00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:39,839
you for sharing that on this very

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special evening very very cool phone

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00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,520
call and with that i got to take a break

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and i will get back to all of these

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phone calls

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stanton friedman

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that's right

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